DEFINITIVE REFERENCE FOR INDIAN CENT DIE VARIETIES


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1864 Copper Nickel Variety 8





Obverse 23

Reverse AU



Obverse Diagnostics


Date Placement C, with Upward Slope

Longacre Doubling on the E of America

Date Approximately Center


Reverse Diagnostics


Die Crack at 11:30



Comments:  Date placement is C, with date sloping upward.  The date almost touches the bust point.  Extra outlines are visibile on the legend on the right side, which can be seen on the right side of the E of AMERICA.  These outlines are actually an artifact from the master die and are transferred to the working hubs and finally working dies  The degree at which these outlines on coins are seen is directly proportional to the hubbing depth that was imparted on the working hubs and working dies  Therefore, if hubbing depth was great, then outlines would be seen on the coins.  Conversely, if hubbing depth was lesser, then the presence of these outlines would be lessened or absent.  During 1886, Charles Barber designed a new obverse master hub from his galvano.  The galvano now included the legend, which was added to the master die prior to this change.  The master hub was then used to make a master die.  The manufacture of  this obverse master die is exactly where the extra outlines were eliminated.  In his article entitled "Extra Outlines", Rick Snow indicates the following:  "Apparently, Longacre did not want any field areas to effect the working hubs he was going to make, so he removed the metal from the field areas on the master die, being careful not to get too close to the letters and devices.  By doing this extra step, he created extra outlines."  Charles Barber's master die does not include this step, thus the outlines ended when longacre's master die disconttinued hubbing working dies.  The reverse hub longacre designed was never changed by Barber, so extra outlines remain on the reverses of many indian cents until the end of the series.

The reverse exhibits a die crack at 11:30 that extends into the shield.  The plate coin has reverse die rotation of 5 degrees counter clockwise.  


5 Degree Counter Clockwise Die Rotation

Plate Coin:  D. Poliquin, VF30

Known examples:
1.  VF30

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